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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by trevormans » 09 Jul 2020, 15:47

can you tell us the five best things he and his government have done this year?

you clearly hold him in high regard so these things should trip off the tongue and on to your keyboard very easily


or is it that you have such strong prejudices that you cannot look at it with a balanced view and would see that anything the tories do is good and any other party would be bad?

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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 09 Jul 2020, 16:07

You haven't said anything he has done wrong with foresight, only with hindsight. You and Captain Hindsight from the Labour front bench are one and the same.
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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by trevormans » 09 Jul 2020, 18:00

if that is supposed to be an answer to my question, then it is clearly nothing other than that which Johnson would do.

I have asked you to name five best things that he and his government have done well this year, and your only response is not to answer the question. (usually Johnson has no genuine answer ) . However just like him, you tell me that I haven't said what he has done wrong. I could give a list, and have listed many points in earlier posts, BUT that is not an answer to the question.

Surely

there must be five deeds that he has done this year which you hold in high esteem????

As I say these things should trip off the tongue.

Maybe it is too difficult.

Best to follow blind faith that tories are good, even when there is no substantial evidence?

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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by White G » 09 Jul 2020, 18:10

We still have no explanation as to why the Tories are doing a good job. There's been so many clear examples of how badly they've been performing & conducting themselves, but STILL not had any credibile examples of their positive performance. I think that alone says it all, clearly it's indefensible.

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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 09 Jul 2020, 18:59

1 they reacted quickly with the furlough scheme
2 they quarantined people coming back quickly
3 they made sure there was enough PPE at every stage
4 they got extra hospital beds organised quickly
5 they showed that they could be ruthless when they locked down Leicester very quickly when there rate of infection increased

There you are five, now I suppose you'll concede that you were wrong
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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by Gaz_Miller » 09 Jul 2020, 22:45

bristleposh wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 18:59
1 they reacted quickly with the furlough scheme
2 they quarantined people coming back quickly
3 they made sure there was enough PPE at every stage
4 they got extra hospital beds organised quickly
5 they showed that they could be ruthless when they locked down Leicester very quickly when there rate of infection increased

There you are five, now I suppose you'll concede that you were wrong
1 They reacted after weeks. How can that be 'quickly'? They got it right in the end, I grant you that, but it was far from quickly
2 They didn't quarantine anybody until roughly 12 weeks into the outbreak. Far too late & then unnecessary
3 Doctors & nurses almost went on strike because of lack of PPE. We heard of masks & gowns having to be reused shift after shift. 100% wrong
4 Yes. The Nightingale hospital was a success. However, it could also be a total waste of money
5 They were 11 days late locking down Leicester after the first rise in cases. If that's 'ruthless' then you need a dictionary

No wonder you think Johnson is doing a good job with those blinkers on.

Do you want another go?
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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 09 Jul 2020, 23:17

1 10 days after lockdown was announced is not weeks
2 first cases were put in quarantine on Merseyside on 1st Feb, nobody knew about covid-19 10 weeks before that, making up data to suit your argument
3. https://www.ft.com/content/f0267648-c46 ... d228649635 Almost ran out is not did run out
4. The buildings were already there and can still be used, when talking of the spend of north of 100billion the small amount spent on equipping something in what could have been desperately needed.
5. Lockdown was introduced 5 days before Leicester was re-locked down, I can't imagine that even you with hindsight would have turned round and said everywhere will open up except Leicester..


So all of your answers are false, how does that make Johnson a liar and not you, perhaps you would be better reading a reliable source instead of listening to CBeebies or reading The Beano or Guardian, even Viz wouldn’t make up stuff like you do.
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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by Gaz_Miller » 10 Jul 2020, 08:10

Bless.

Keep reading your right wing papers. If you close your eyes and really believe, you might be able to make it all go away.
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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 10 Jul 2020, 08:19

Gaz_Miller wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 08:10
Bless.

Keep reading your right wing papers. If you close your eyes and really believe, you might be able to make it all go away.
At least I got all my information, (mostly by googling it) I see you have none of your information authenticated, just wild lies plucked from thin air like most socialist rhetoric
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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by White G » 10 Jul 2020, 08:51

bristleposh wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 08:19
Gaz_Miller wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 08:10
Bless.

Keep reading your right wing papers. If you close your eyes and really believe, you might be able to make it all go away.
At least I got all my information, (mostly by googling it) I see you have none of your information authenticated, just wild lies plucked from thin air like most socialist rhetoric
Bristle, the "positives" you've mentioned are socialist ideas. The furlough scheme, the NHS PPE "success" are socialism, so does that make you a socialist??

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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 10 Jul 2020, 10:00

White G wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 08:51
bristleposh wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 08:19
Gaz_Miller wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 08:10
Bless.

Keep reading your right wing papers. If you close your eyes and really believe, you might be able to make it all go away.
At least I got all my information, (mostly by googling it) I see you have none of your information authenticated, just wild lies plucked from thin air like most socialist rhetoric
Bristle, the "positives" you've mentioned are socialist ideas. The furlough scheme, the NHS PPE "success" are socialism, so does that make you a socialist??
Brought in by a winning Government, I do hope it doesn't make me a Socialist I would never be able to live with myself I'm surprised anybody can.
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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by trevormans » 10 Jul 2020, 11:38

bristleposh wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 18:59
1 they reacted quickly with the furlough scheme
2 they quarantined people coming back quickly
3 they made sure there was enough PPE at every stage
4 they got extra hospital beds organised quickly
5 they showed that they could be ruthless when they locked down Leicester very quickly when there rate of infection increased

There you are five, now I suppose you'll concede that you were wrong
At last a fair effort. So well done, though several of the best points are quite thin to the point of see through

I will share a few of my thoughts. I can do so because I try to view things with an open mind, and then seek to weigh up the net benefits
So here we go:-
1 The initial economic, support package of furlough etc put down by the Chancellor had the benefit of relieving some of the pressure .mostly financial, which had fallen upon both individuals and companies in the UK. Good socialist approach
2 The rapid establishment, (having seen the Chinese example,) of Nightingale hospitals within a seemingly impossible time schedule
3 The commitment of the government to find some medical answer (either vaccine or medication) to the problem. This was supported by a significant finance effort, and both Imperial and Oxford University appear to have responded well, and maybe successfully.
4 The eventual decision to go into national lockdown. There can be little doubt that the decision was correct. The problem was clearly one of timing. Catastrophically this has cost thousands of lives so leading scientists have told us.
5 The eventual achievement of ensuring sufficient equipment (ventilators , PPE etc) became available. Clearly necessary, but we floundered around for far too many weeks, probably costing thousands of lives, leading scientists say. Too many places had shortages.
6 Track and trace system , seemed in place from perhaps January, but catastrophically was dropped by mid March. WHO said test test test. We seemed to know better. This has undoubtedly cost many lives
7 The eventual decision to allow school meals to be supplied to schoolchildren through the summer, following good and persistent guidance from a young man from a rough part of Manchester
8 The eventual decision to quarantine visitors and returners from overseas, implemented in June (and basically rescinded almost as soon as implemented), and implemented 4 months too late.
9 Ensured the NHS hospitals were not overwhelmed, albeit by sending untested patients to thousands of care home, where some 29000 have died.
10 The continual praising of the NHS and care workers, albeit when continually denying benefits to the workers
11 Facilitated Liverpool getting knocked out of the European Cup, by allowing a game to go ahead despite warnings against.

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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 10 Jul 2020, 13:01

Very good that’s better, but you still in 4 are blaming the government for going into lockdown too late, these leading scientists were the same ones who have led them.
You continually say things cost lives, but there is no proof of this, it is merely conjecture.
I agree with 8
Why should NHS staff get more benefits than the Police, Firemen, Supermarket employees.
Liverpool were obviously not good enough on the night, nothing gave me greater pleasure other than possibly Celtic getting knocked out.
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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by DaveLister » 10 Jul 2020, 19:23

bristleposh wrote:
10 Jul 2020, 13:01
Very good that’s better, but you still in 4 are blaming the government for going into lockdown too late, these leading scientists were the same ones who have led them.
You continually say things cost lives, but there is no proof of this, it is merely conjecture.
I agree with 8
Why should NHS staff get more benefits than the Police, Firemen, Supermarket employees.
Liverpool were obviously not good enough on the night, nothing gave me greater pleasure other than possibly Celtic getting knocked out.
Bristle, trevs point re the Liverpool game is that it shouldn't have gone ahead, with 50,000 people packed into Anfield, 3,000 of those from one of the worst affected countries in Europe.

Of course, a lot of people had a lot of money invested in that fixture, not least Liverpool FC
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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 10 Jul 2020, 19:40

I knew that, same with Cheltenham, but Liverpool wanted the game to go ahead as did just about everybody involved in Horse Racing wanted Cheltenham to proceed.

Including me I've still got £3 odd to come back when the bookies finally open
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