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Re: Brexit strikes

Post by Gaz_Miller » 22 Apr 2020, 13:39

More good news for Brexit fans...

The health secretary, Matt Hancock, is facing fresh pressure over the protection offered to NHS staff after the European commission said the UK had been given “ample opportunity” to join an EU scheme bulk-buying masks, gowns, gloves and goggles.

After a day of confusion in Westminster over the UK’s lack of involvement in the EU’s joint procurement of equipment, a spokesman for the commission appeared to bolster the claim that ministers had taken a “political decision” to opt out.

The commission spokesman said UK representatives had been briefed on the EU plans throughout February and March when they could have signed up for the huge purchases of ventilators, laboratory supplies and personal protective equipment.



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Re: Brexit strikes

Post by bristleposh » 22 Apr 2020, 14:31

You just did, or did you not watch last nights corona virus briefing in which he explained it in detail. Detail being something the left seem to forget when they’re having their little rants. You’d be at home on dot net at the moment, a vote to see who is/was the most awful person on the planet, forget serial killers, paedophiles, the final will be between Hitler and Katie Hopkins.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by trevormans » 22 Apr 2020, 17:16

Today for the first time for a long time we have a measured informed and credible opposition posing probing questions

The only response has been evasion, half baked promises, refusal to answer and hoping for the best

The country deserves better from its leaders, but as long as sycophancy is what is demanded then we will not get what this country needs

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 22 Apr 2020, 17:41

trevormans wrote:
22 Apr 2020, 17:16
Today for the first time for a long time we have a measured informed and credible opposition posing probing questions

The only response has been evasion, half baked promises, refusal to answer and hoping for the best

The country deserves better from its leaders, but as long as sycophancy is what is demanded then we will not get what this country needs
Do you watch the Coronavirus updates, the answers are on there. You slate the government at every opportunity. Chris Whitty the CMO has just stated that the experts in the NHS, the experts at Porton Down, it would appear that the only person in the country who knows is Sir Kier Starmer. I hate to think of anything further from the truth. Even Johnson wouldn’t claim that.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by PoshCynic » 22 Apr 2020, 17:48

trevormans wrote:
22 Apr 2020, 17:16
Today for the first time for a long time we have a measured informed and credible opposition posing probing questions

The only response has been evasion, half baked promises, refusal to answer and hoping for the best

The country deserves better from its leaders, but as long as sycophancy is what is demanded then we will not get what this country needs
For the first time for ages, I have to agree with you. Mr Raab's comments in the daily briefing were also unsatisfactory.
Why are companies who have stocks of PPE available seemingly being ignored by the government? Reported that stocks will be exported by the end of April if the UK government continues to show a lack of interest. Pertinent questions seldom, if ever, seem to receive a direct answer. Evasions and obfuscation abound.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 22 Apr 2020, 18:46

PoshCynic wrote:
22 Apr 2020, 17:48
trevormans wrote:
22 Apr 2020, 17:16
Today for the first time for a long time we have a measured informed and credible opposition posing probing questions

The only response has been evasion, half baked promises, refusal to answer and hoping for the best

The country deserves better from its leaders, but as long as sycophancy is what is demanded then we will not get what this country needs
For the first time for ages, I have to agree with you. Mr Raab's comments in the daily briefing were also unsatisfactory.
Why are companies who have stocks of PPE available seemingly being ignored by the government? Reported that stocks will be exported by the end of April if the UK government continues to show a lack of interest. Pertinent questions seldom, if ever, seem to receive a direct answer. Evasions and obfuscation abound.
Raab answered Starmer’s allegations, as I have pointed out many times in these pages, the government took the best scientific advice this country has to offer, Starmer was doing Wharton’s everyone from the left has a tendency, being brilliant with the benefit of hindsight. I’m sure that in the very unlikely event that Labour had won the December election they too would have followed the scientific advice, allowed Cheltenham and the Liverpool v Madrid game to go ahead.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by PoshCynic » 22 Apr 2020, 19:20

bristleposh wrote:
22 Apr 2020, 18:46
PoshCynic wrote:
22 Apr 2020, 17:48
trevormans wrote:
22 Apr 2020, 17:16
Today for the first time for a long time we have a measured informed and credible opposition posing probing questions

The only response has been evasion, half baked promises, refusal to answer and hoping for the best

The country deserves better from its leaders, but as long as sycophancy is what is demanded then we will not get what this country needs
For the first time for ages, I have to agree with you. Mr Raab's comments in the daily briefing were also unsatisfactory.
Why are companies who have stocks of PPE available seemingly being ignored by the government? Reported that stocks will be exported by the end of April if the UK government continues to show a lack of interest. Pertinent questions seldom, if ever, seem to receive a direct answer. Evasions and obfuscation abound.
Raab answered Starmer’s allegations, as I have pointed out many times in these pages, the government took the best scientific advice this country has to offer, Starmer was doing Wharton’s everyone from the left has a tendency, being brilliant with the benefit of hindsight. I’m sure that in the very unlikely event that Labour had won the December election they too would have followed the scientific advice, allowed Cheltenham and the Liverpool v Madrid game to go ahead.
Perhaps the government should seek advice from alternative equally well qualified scientists and medical persons. I am sure they exist. Neither you nor Mr Raab have responded adequately to the comments reported that PPE is available from UK sources who have seemingly been ignored by the government. Too much reliance is being placed on large overseas suppliers. Government should be looking closer to home.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 22 Apr 2020, 19:31

I can’t understand that either, the story as I understand it is that an email was either ignored or went to the wrong person. Not good enough. The other stuff with the EU has been misrepresented in the press apparently
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by White G » 22 Apr 2020, 21:50

bristleposh wrote:
22 Apr 2020, 19:31
I can’t understand that either, the story as I understand it is that an email was either ignored or went to the wrong person. Not good enough. The other stuff with the EU has been misrepresented in the press apparently
Are you a Tory party spokesman? I can't remember you slating any Tory policies or behaviours, yet I've also never heard you say anything positive about any of Labours.

It'll be interesting to see whether the Tories will be feeling pressure to halt the slow move of privatisation of the NHS following this? Nationalising the railways again seems like socialist madness to the Tories unless it's to bail out failing private sector companies. Imagine how they would see the nationalisation of healthcare if it was currently private? It'd be deemed as Communist insanity!

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by trevormans » 23 Apr 2020, 10:57

I fully believe that the country needs to be told the truth about the measures being taken about the coronavirus and also about the effects (so the truth about the number who have died ,or about the economic effects or indeed the measures being taken to ensure that our carers are properly protected)

I have never considered the truth as being a matter of politics

It certainly seems like a matter of life or death

Truth rules ok

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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by Gaz_Miller » 23 Apr 2020, 13:31

So much sense spoken by Angela Merkel (compared to the endless lies we have to endure).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52394645

Thank God we aren't part of that pesky European Union. Who would want to be part of 28 countries all working together to support each other through this ongoing crisis?

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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 23 Apr 2020, 17:26

It is a bit like a teacher talking to three naughty boys in class. The only ones with any creditable solutions to the problems we are facing are the current government, the only people who think they are doing a bad job are those that choose to believe Sir Kier, he is not a scientist as far as I’m aware, and certainly does not know better that the hands on experts who are guiding this government to do the correct thing. Even Lady Jock is speaking more sense than Sir Kier.
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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by trevormans » 23 Apr 2020, 20:37

Which words of mr starmer are less impressive than those of the ministers

Has he done more than put them under scrutiny?

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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by bristleposh » 24 Apr 2020, 07:16

trevormans wrote:
23 Apr 2020, 20:37
Which words of mr starmer are less impressive than those of the ministers

Has he done more than put them under scrutiny?
He has just been talking in hindsight. Even you do that, the government should have done this earlier, they should have done that earlier. If you think that is talking sense fair play to you for being more naive than I gave you credit for.
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Re: The Politics of Coronavirus

Post by trevormans » 24 Apr 2020, 09:18

He has asked questions

That's what happens at PMQ

The fact that Raab does not give answers to the questions is the problem

It's called a lack of candour

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